"...the same is true in the area of diversity, equity and inclusion is that you really need to focus on the fish tank, the culture of your organization and the environment that you want to foster and cultivate so that you can create a welcoming and inclusive environment for a number of different perspectives in your organization, which will make your organization stronger over time."

"...But, to the industry's credit, we're also seeing change happen now by revelation, because now the industry is recognizing, okay, this is not just the right thing to do, but this is actually a beneficial thing to do. We can actually improve outcomes for clients, for our firm, for the folks that we work with, by being more inclusive and intentional in our decision-making. So we got here by way of revolution, but where we're going to go, it has to be because of revelation."